hours. let's put this in perspective though, randi. president obama raised $86 million in just 90 days. even though he's taking some criticism from liberals because he's willing to put social security, medicare and medicaid on the line in these debt negotiations, he's still very popular in the democratic party. randi. >> certainly sounds that way if you look at the wallet. mark, thank you very much. your next update from the best political team on television is an hour away. that will do it for me everyone t. "cnn newsroom" continues with t.j. holmes who is in for brooke baldwin. the u.s. is one day closer to missing the deadline for paying its bills. a lot of people, you may be one of them, looking for signs that the white house and republicans are getting ready to do a deal. today is not that day. you may have heard that senate leaders, mitch mcconnell and harry reid are trying to hash

out a plan palatable to both sides, and there's a separate push for the balanced budget amendment. the president suggested this morning that the u.s. doesn't have time have for any proposals. >> we don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs. the constitution already tells us to do our jobs and to make sure that the government is living within its means and making responsible choices. so it this notion that we're going to go through a multi-year process instead of seizing the moment now and taking care of our problems is a typical washington response. we don't need more studies. we don't need a balanced budget amendment. we simply need to make these tough choices and be willing to take on our bases. everybody knows that. >> so august 2nd is the looming deadline. that's the day when the treasury warns the u.s. will have to

decide which bills it will pay and which ones won't get paid. with no talks scheduled at the white house today, house republicans offering up their own new plan. listen to hugh kent. >> we're going to bring a bill forward next week, known as the cut, cap and balance bill to provide a balanced approach so we can demonstrate we're getting things under control and that the people that put us here can gain some confidence that we're going to begin to live like they do around their kitchen tables and in their businesses, stop spending money we don't have, and begin to manage this debt and deficit down to balance it. >> let's go to dan lothian at the white house for us. good to see you as always. we've seen a lot of president lately it seems. he's had a number of press conferences and press availability and coming out and making statements, but did he feel, did he seem a little different in tone today at least?

>> well, yes. you're correct. he has done three now press conferences in the last two weeks. two this week alone. it the does seem that the president -- there was a bit of resignation. certainly the president came out pushing for the biggest deal possible because he believes that's the best way to deal with the deficit debt problem over the long term. it did appear that there was somewhat of a softening from the president when he pointed out that a big deal is hard to get. he seemed open to whatever republicans might be discussing up there on the hill. the president saying that if they have something that is a serious plan and they bring it to him, then he might be willing to move on it, even if it requires making some tough decision. the president was also asked about the so-called mcconnell plan which would raise the debt limit in three different increements through the end of 2012. here's what the president had to say about that. >> if washington operates as

usual and can't get anything done, let's at least avert armageddon. >> reporter: so you avert armageddon because it takes care of problem number one, which is essentially raising the debt ceiling, but it doesn't take care of problem two, which is making any significant reductions in the deficit issue and the debt problem. so it does appear, at least based on what the president was saying, that he will at least be open to something that will prevent the u.s. from going into default and resulting in higher interest rates for all americans, which the president says essentially a tax increase, exactly what republicans say they do not support. >> dan, we've seen these du duelling press conferences this week. the president has his, democrats on the hill having press conferences, but the republicans have been consistent. in every press conference they say we're waiting for the president to put a plan on the

table. we're waiting to see details. did he give you specifics at the white house today? >> reporter: no, the president did not lay out a specific plan on the table. the one specific we got from the president today is while we have been hearing from sources about the president being willing to put some changes to medicare on the table, we have not heard that directly from the president. today he was asked that question, and, in fact, he did admit that is something that is on the table in terms of wealthier americans like himself, perhaps paying more for medicare premiums or co-payments. so that's a little more specific from the president than we have heard from him in public. but beyond that, no official plan, complete plan if you will from the president today. >> all right. dan lothian for us at the white house. we appreciate you as always. thanks so much. we'll stick to this topic for a second. we want to show you a bit of acomma demonstration on the house

floor. he presented the gop wheem of misfortune. he says this is what will happen if the u.s. defaults. check this out. >> when we spin this wheel this time, we get to bondholders. well, come august 2nd, again, someone won't get paid. the gop default will force the treasury to deny u.s. bondhol r bondholders the money that then trusted to our nation. the college student cashing in a bond their parents bought on their first birthday, the retirees, the retirees who steer their 401(k)s to the most secure, safest investments in the world, at least until the republican majority forced a default. >> even brought out vanna white. it was very cool. that was florida democrat ted deutsch. he did not bring out vanna white today. he was on the house floor today

making his point. shame on you! >> quite a scene these days for rupert murdoch. he is taking heat from critics left and right, but one man is sticking up for him. >> don't rush to judgment. give people a presumption of innocence. >> coming up, why rudy guiliani says back up rupert murdoch. plus his bill apology. the grewsome killing of an 8-year-old boy rocks a brooklyn community, and we're learning disturbing new information about the man charged with killing him. stay here. him. stay here. you could save a bundle with geico's multi-policy discount. geico, saving people money on more than just car iance. ♪

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ever since the media scandal rattled the uk, it's been not exactly clear whether or not there would be an impact here in the united states. maybe it's clear now. some lawmakers want news corp investigated and the u.s. attorney general confirms that he ordered the fbi to do just that. news corp is the huge media company owned by rupert murdoch and the parent company of the british paper that folded last week under allegations of phone hacking and police bribery. at least one u.s. congressman is concerned the reporters working for murdoch tapped into phones belonging to 9/11 victims or their families. back in the uk rupert murdoch met today with the family of millie daler. she's the murdered british teenager whose phone was allegedly hacked by reporters by the murdoch-owned "news of the

world." this is the family's attorney now. >> it was a private meeting that had been called for by rupert murdoch, and he was humbled to give a full and sincere apology to the dowler family. we told him the dowler family told him that his papers should lead the way to set the standard of honesty and decency in the field and not what had gone on before. at the end of the day, actions are going to speak louder than words. >> now, again, he apologized to that family, but he's not done apologizing. this is a letter that will appear in british newspapers tomorrow. won't read the whole thing, but it says in part we are sorry for the serious wrongdoing that occurred and we are deeply sorry for the hurt suffered by the individuals affected. it is signed by rupert murdoch.

one of his ceos, rebecca brooks, resigned today. she was in charge of print media in the uk. he's been dubbed the butcher of brooklyn. the man suspected of smothering and mutilating an 8-year-old boy. we're learning disturbing new information about levi aron. this gruesome murder has many asking why a little boy was walking alone in a big city anyway. people asking should he have been been. we're going to discuss that and more with wendy walsh right after the break. stay with us. stay with us. [ tires squeal ] an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement, available only from liberty mutual insurance,

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their client hears voices, and they have questions about his mental state. he's the brooklyn man who pleaded not guilty yesterday to kidnapping and killing an 8-year-old boy this week, that's despite an account by police and prosecutors that aron confessed to suffocating the boy and ledee tektives to the child's body parts. people who live in the boy's neighborhood are still in disbelief over this. >> i'm so sorry for the boy and for his family. >> we hope never, ever, ever to hear such a story again. it broke everybody's hearts. not just people in our community. all over the state and all over the country and even in other countries. my sister is in israel now, and she's talking about the boy. everybody is talking about this terrible, terrible, terrible story. >> we want to bring in wendy walsh. she's a psychologist in human behavior. it's always good to see you. you hear there the suspect's lawyer says they have questions about his mental state. what would be your first

question about his mental state? >> well, obviously, they're going to try to determine whether he's healthy enough to stand trial, but, you know, him mentioning he's hearing voices and hallucinations leads me to wonder about schizophrenia about a possible diagnosis. he still may be fit to stand trial. >> let's move away from the suspect for a second. this sparked a lot of conversation among apparents and some people. this mother -- he begged to let me wake home on my own. at some point all parents have to do it and let them do their own thing. a lot of parents wonders, 8 years old. should an 8-year-old be walking around the streets of new york in a new york neighborhood on their own? talk to those parents for a second. how do you make this decision? is it really based on age, the child's maturity or when the parent is comfortable? >> it's based on everything. it's based on the child's age,

on the environment. for instance, i have an 8 and 13-year-old. i live in a neighborhood that has 46 registered sex offenders. my kids don't take one step without an adult with them. i would look at the environment. i would look at where the child lives in the city. also, how mature they are. i'd practice it it over and over. generally you start kids off walking with buddies. they don't walk alone at an age. this is not to blame the parents because they felt they lived in a safe community. >> you never know. sometimes like this just happen, but a lot of people around the country, would a parent's natural reaction be to get more protective of their child and is there a danger or risk in holding on too tight too long to a child? >> of course there is, because kids need to grow up and beinged independent. it's up to parents to gauge when it's safe and not. i consult with a wonderful

organization called safelyeverafter.com. there's tons of tips for parents to keep your children safe. don't teach them about stranger danger. change it to tricky people. you have to listen to your stomach to tell if somebody is a tricky person. when they're out on a street, don't go to a man. go to a mother with kids. if you're lost go to a mother of kids or cashier at a store. there's a camera on anybody handling money sosh, so the chi would be seen on camera. >> you say go to a mother with kids because the profiles and people we know over years, people violent like this are usually going to be men. also, something you said there. tricky people. we've heard that other saying for a long time about what you're supposed to look out for in a stranger. what do you mean by that, tricky people and trust your gut? >> well, the truth is all strangers are not dangerous. in fact, most strangers are quite safe, and they will be quite helpful. so what we have to teach

children to do is to listen to the gut instinct. when their stomach tells them that something doesn't feel right, you have to give them permission to be impolite. that's very important. to give them permission to be impolite if their stomach says something is not right. i sound like johnnie cochran there. it's thinking about who is trying to trick them, so it's so fear-based. it's spotting the tricky people. it's safer for kids to do that than worry about every single person they come in contact with. >> a lot has been made about this neighborhood, this tight-knit community where this kid was walking alone. is that a danger sometimes? can you get too comfortable if you think the neighborhood is a little too tight-knit, sometimes it's very comfortable and feels safe, you know everybody in the neighborhood? can these very types of neighborhoods be attractive to these types of perpetrators who want to come in there and take advantage of that trust in the neighborhood?

>> i do think that parents have a false sense of security when they live in a homogeneous neighborhood where everyone practices the same faith. they feel that a faith-based community is always safe. the tragedy is that mental illness knows no religion and knows now ethnicity. mental illness runs through the human population everywhere. in fact, some people with mental illness are attracted to religious communities because of the loving support and nurturing they get in that community. it's important to not feel falsely safe. >> great information today. again, a lot of people in general talking about this story. tragic story, but still maybe parents can pause for a moment. good time to teach those lessons. always good to see you. thank you so much. enjoy your weekend. >> thank you. take care. well, we're about 20 minutes past the hour now. we have miserable heat coming maybe your way. yeah, triple digits are what we're talking about in places not just in the south.

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. parts of midwest bracing for heat, dangerous heat this weekend. these searing temperatures are expected to grip the central u.s. from louisiana to the canadian border by sunday. minnesota folks could see the heat index go to 115 degrees. now, when the temperature gets that high, of course, we're talking about a serious risk of heat exhaustion or heatstroke, a lot of cities are setting up cooling centers for folks that don't have air-conditioning and all that hot air not going to stay put. chad, they sound so strange to us if you talk about minnesota and 115 degrees. how rare is this for them, even if it's summer? >> it's rare because it's the humidity that came back up. it's coming around a high pressure off the gulf of mexico that's going to pour into minneapolis, sioux falls and fargo and des moines and into chicago.

let's go into tomorrow and today. enjoy that weather in minneapolis, because that's the best day of the rest of the week. it's the high that brought up all the humidity. see this pink and orange in here? that pink indicates that the relative humidity is probably 85 to 100% in the morning, and then about 75% in the afternoon with a temperature outside of 95. so you get that heat index that can run in minneapolis to 111. what do people do in the summertime in minnesota and wisconsin to beat the heat? they go to their cabin at the lakes in minneapolis and minnesota and wisconsin. most of the time the cabins don't have ac. the best thing to do the next couple of days is to stay home in minneapolis and st. paul and rochester and don't go to the detroit lakes cabin that doesn't have ac because it will feel like 110 at your cabin even if it's on the water.

this is the problem, and here's tuesday, and then wednesday, and then here's thursday. it doesn't go away. this is a long-term heatwave, and we use the word "heatwave" when it lasts longer than three days. that humidity continues all the way up here. the only relief you may see anywhere through this region is the afternoon thunderstorms. some of them can be severe when it's that hot and humid. these storms go up and make wind damage and small hail, but lightning is the biggest thing. don't be out there trying to stay cool on the lake when you hear the thunder. >> what should the temperature be up there right about now this time of year? >> you get 92, 93 would be nice. it's going to be 96, 97, and the relative humidity is so high that it's unbearable. >> chad, good stuff. keep in mind, folks, this is dangerous hot. >> you know what happened in chicago last time this happened?

we lost 200 people because they didn't want to put their windows down because they're afraid of getting broken into. this is into chicago this weekend. >> thank you so much. we'll look at stories making headlines. documents recovered from bin laden's compound put president obama and general david petraeus put them on the list. not clear whether the documents indicate a specifically planned attack or if they refer to a general desire to attack the president and petraeus. bin laden was killed in a u.s. raid on his pakistani compound in may. the united states throws its formal backing behind the rebels fighting to overthrow libyan leader moammar gadhafi. hillary clinton said in turkey today that the u.s. recognizing the opposition transitional council as the legitimate governing authority for libya.

that means the group will have access to some of the more than $30 billion in gadhafi government assets frozen in u.s. banks. and gop presidential hopeful michele bachmann has left her church. bachmann and her husband officially withdrew from the church last month. they were members of the salem lutheran church in stillwater, minnesota more than a decade. this was days after bashman announced her decision to run for the white house. turn back to washington, d.c., and president obama says we're running out of time. >> we now center an obligation to pay our bills. if we do not, it could have a whole set of adverse consequences. >> okay. adverse consequences. what exactly does that mean? what might some of those consequences be if the debt ceiling is not raised? we're going to go after what could happen if congress fails

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all right. the president is repeating his desire for a grand bargain. not a small deal that will get the country out of the latest crisis, but basically would kick the can down the road. listen to the president. >> we are obviously running out of time, and so what i've said to the members of congress is that you need over the next 24 to 36 hours to give me some sense of what your plan is to get the debt ceiling raised through whatever mechanisms they can think about and show me a plan in terms of what you're doing for deficit and debt reduction. if they show me a serious plan, i'm ready to move. even if it requires some tough decisions on my part. >> we want to bring in rick newman. good to have him with us today. he's chief business correspondent for "u.s. news and

world report." you wrote a good article that got a lot of attention. we hear armageddon and how mastive it could be. let's get to specifics of people that could be hurt, and we're talking first about those social security recipients. let's just say that this thing is allowed to play out, and the debt ceiling is not raised by august 2nd. what happens to social security recipients? >> the people that will be hurt first and most directly are people who get money directly from the federal government. so that's social security recipients. in early august the government is scheduled to pay about $23 billion worth of social security checks. that apparently is one of the things that the government may not be able to pay. those are checks that go straight to people. they help people pay their bills, and those people in turn may have trouble -- they may not pay their bills and run late on things like that. that's where we get into this effect. >> let's go to the next group here. government employees. >> we're probably going to see,

if this happens, some furloughs and shutdowns of government offices. there are more than 4 million employees of the federal government. they're probably not getting paychecks either. again, they get into a situation where some people don't pay their bills and fall behind on their mortgages and credit card bills and things like that. >> another group we're not talking enough about in this whole thing, the unemployed. >> nearly 4 million americans are getting extended benefits, unemployment benefits from the federal government. these are people who have mostly run out of the state level benefits, which last about 26 weeks. again, those are checks that go straight to people's mailboxes and may not arrive in early august. >> let's lump those three together, unemployed, government employees and social security recipients. if they don't have money to spend, they're not going to put it back into the economy. now we have this domino effect that's going to hurt an already struggling economy. >> that's right. so if this happens for a day or two, in terms of the spending that will be lost in the economy, it won't be that

severe. if it goes on for very long, we're talking about people that can't pay their rent, pay their mortgage, and for some people who are really strapped probably put food on the table. we're talking about money that gets spent directly into the economy. especially for unemployment benefits. that money gets spent for the most part. it doesn't get saved. this is part of the picture for why this starts to become a worrisome thing that doesn't -- the effects aren't limited to people that get those chokes. they affect the overall economy. >> rick, you've been covering this town. even if they're crazy, they're not this crazy. why put us through all this? most of the experts and economists out there think they won't be crazy enough to let this happen. we're going through the motions. are you one that agrees with that? >> i'm not sure. this has been the assumption all along. the politicians in washington wouldn't be crazy enough to shut down the economy like they're threatening, but it's really getting close to a trouble point. the government is saying that we

need a decision before we actually run out of money in early august in order to keep things functioning smoothly and they're getting awfully close. we hear both sides saying we're ready to put forward a serious plan now, and i think americans can be excused for wondering what the heck have you talked about for the last three months if you haven't put forward a serious plan yet? we're in the very late innings here, and you know, there are a lot of problems that need to be solved. i think ceos want to think about can they hire people in the fall, or will they have a recession to deal with? this is a factor that's depressing consumers and ceos and it's like the economy is on hold until they get it figured out. >> good point there. i was hoping you'd be a little more optimistic and say no way they will let this happen. >> if this does get resolved in a way that looks like we're putting this behind us for a while, it will be a significant boost to the economy. this is one of the biggest kinds of uncertainty that ceos

complain about right now. we don't know what will happen in washington or what climate we will operate in. if we can get this behind us, that alone -- this is a man made crisis right now, but having said that, if we can get it behind us, i think people will feel a lot better. >> don't say another word. you can leave it on a high note. you have a good weekend. >> you, too. we're 37 minutes past the hour here now. you probably heard casey anthony will be a free woman this weekend. set to go free on sunday, but soon she might be a rich woman as well. her million dollar offer is waiting in the wings. that is next. plus, los angeles, the city is gearing up for major gridlock this weekend. i know what you're thinking. it's l.a. big deal. this one is different. carmageddon is what they call it, and it's just hours away. first here is dr. sanjay gupta with this week's human factor.

kevin robb's sculptures can be found all over the world. for the past seven years this denver artist hasn't been able to sculpt. >> i was teasing him about what you think that sculpture looks better from the ground up? then i took a look at him, and i could tell there was something seriously wrong. >> what kevin's wife didn't know is her previouslily healthy husband had a blood cloth that travelled to his brain and caused a massive stroke. >> he was on life support for 13 days, and then from there he was in rehab hospitals for seven weeks. >> when kevin finally came home, he had lost his memory, his ability to speak, and most of his movement. when he was taken back up until his studio, something inside him lit up. >> he stood here, walked over and touched some of his machinery, and for the first time since his stroke there was life in his eyes.

>> kevin continued his rehabilitation, and over time he learned to walk on his own. bits of his memory came back, and he can now speak more than 100 different words. all that led him to be able to make art again. >> kevin's sketches, we have staff that understands what he wants, and kevin is back in full swing in creating sculptures. >> none of it has been easy. diane and kevin have to speak in a sort of complicated type of charades. >> you want to go someplace? >> i want the keys running. >> he wants the keys to the truck so he and tom can go someplace. >> yechlt. >> diane says kevin's love for his family and his fierce dernlgs to get better brought him and his art back to life. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer.

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well, we turn to casey anthony now, and what's next for her after she walks out of jail on sunday. special precautions will be taken during her release. a lot of people are still upset over the outcome of her murder trial, and anthony is facing a defamation lawsuit by a woman named glee n named zee nad da gonzalez. she got caught up in the lie.

a hearing is set for this hour. then there's the offer of $1 million for an interview. a lot to get into. ga gary, let's start with this release. i assume it's going to be a madhouse. everyone wants to get a luck, the public and press. what are they doing to make sure it goes smoothly? >> reporter: i don't know how much of a madhouse it will be, t.j., because what's being done during this release is something i've never seen done before in my history of covering cases. this is the jail behind me where casey anthony is, and what the sheriff's office has decided to do is allow three journalists, a video photographers and photography and ap photographer to be embedded in the jail. tomorrow night at 10:00 eernl time they go into the jail. we don't know the exact release time. it could be two hours later sunday morning, but they will photograph, videotape her release and then when she's safely out, all journalists, all

of journalism will be permitted to release these images on tv once we get the authorization from the sheriff's office of her going free. >> it sounds like they're going to be sneaking her out of the prison, i guess. are they equipped to do that? i assume there are only so many places and so many exits, if you will. maybe i'm wrong there. you help me. they're putting in a plan to sneak her out. >> reporter: there are at least six entrances and exits into this huge, sprawling facility. i kind of joked this is -- we're near the happiest place on earth, walt disney world 15 miles away. there are six entrances and exits here. i apologize. i have a little layer rin jits. we don't know the plans where she will go. all we know is to avoid having lots of media congregate around here, they allow three types to

be inside there documenting it on television. >> well, i'm sorry you're not feeling well. i wonder if i should get another question to you here. >> reporter: please do. i feel fine. don't worry. >> okay. this lawsuit we're talking about involving the whole lie about z zani the nanny, what's the status there? what happens? >> reporter: it's interesting. as we speak right now a hearing is taking place. casey anthony is a chronic, habitual liar and during this whole business she said her child was kidnapped by hernany. it wasn't true, but it it caused unnecessary searching to go on. she could have benefits from all this delay and looking for caylee. that's the irony about all this. there is a real zenaida gonzalez that lives in the area. she is suing for deaf fakfamatd.

her lawyers want casey to participate in a deposition this tuesday, but they don't think she'll come back. if you were berth in las vegas on whether they would come back, you would get good odds. they hope she has to participation in a deposition? jail before she gets out. that's what this hearing is all about taking place assist we speak. >> gary futuchman on the scene. thanks so much, buddy. of course, los angeles known for its nasty traffic. how can it get nastier? how about you shut down one of the busiest highs that l.a. depends on. >> most of the people go through their lives to avoid the 405. this is the one weekend you really need to avoid the 405. >> they are calling this c carmageddon set to begin in just a few hours. stay here. a few hours. stay here. hey can i play with the toys ?

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time now for the help desk where we get answers to financial questions. joining me this hour we have jack, the executive editor at cbs money watch.com and brian mack. first question for you ryan. this comes from mark in pennsylvania. mark writes, does it make sense for me to consolidate myrie tirmt assets with one of the larger fund companies, and what are the downsides. >> whenever i hear consolidate in one of the largest fund companies, i get red flags. there's an enormous amount of diversification, you can diversify across domestic and foreign events and different investment managers and different styles and strategies.

putting all your eggs in one basket is the right one. talk to a financial adviser and choosing it and putting in a good strategy good for you. that's attributed to allegation back in the '930s. we have to make sure the diversifying and properliy aial indicating it. >> be a little more careful here. >> keep your expenses down. think index funds. >> right. we have a question for you jack. sarah in phoenix. she writes my boyfriend and are considering getting married. his house is foreclosure and mine is paid off. can his bank garnish the equity i have in my house, cd, or bank accounts if we're married. >> are you sure you want to marry this guy? that's the important question. the good news is, no, nunless fr

season reason he jointly signed on these. if his signature is not on the paper, he is safe. get this thing out of the way, get the thing with the foreclosure. his credit will be awful for seven year but they can live on her credit. >> as long as they stay married. >> yes, of course. >> if you have a question send

>> the trending topic today, the countdown to what the folks out in l.a. are calling carmageddon just a few hours from now. a ten-mile stretch of the 405 freeway will close for a bridge demolition. the 405 is a major highway between burbank and los angeles. you usually don't ever want to

be on this thing in the first place, but certainly not this weekend. people are worried about what they're calling epic traffic jams. casey, l.a. is known for traffic jams, but when they even are concerned about rough traffic, you know something is up. >> absolutely. there's a lot of concern about what's going to happen when they shut this 405 fwroi down for a total of three hours. the main culprit, you can see over my shoulder there, that's the mulholland bridge. they're going to gradually demolish that bridge. they need to make more room for car pool lanes. that will ultimately ease congestion. in the short term, this, what authorities are worried about is traffic will flow through other freeways and create krid log throughout the region. they've been warning people for

weeks to avoid 405 and all southern california freeways this weekend. we can take a look at a car being driven by my colleagues. they're on the 405 right now giving you a glimpse of what traffic is like. and frankly, for a friday afternoon at about 1:00 local time where people are beginning their commute home for the weekend, traffic is behaving pretty well. in fact, it might be a little bit lighter than normal. so it seems that folks are starting to get the message, staying away from this area until they absolutely have to drive. >> they've gone out of their, authorities there, to make sure that this message got out. what were some of the methods they used to try to make sure people heard about this. >> they pulled out all the stops. driving around southern california the last few weeks, there have been lighted freeway signs, 20, 30, 40 miles away

from here that you wouldn't even think would be impacted. they've been asking celebrities to send out tweets. they've been asking them to send out tweet. i'm going to read you one of the facebook entries that the 405 widening project just september out a little while ago. trusting souls have been calling our hotline and asking for travel times between point a and point b. well, we don't know. so even the authorities have no idea how bad it's going to be. >> we talked about that bridge being demolished. it's only going to be demolished in half, length wise. groups of bicyclists and skateboarders have asked for permission to go across that bridge as it's being torn down. authorities have denied that request. >> only in l.a. can lady gaga

and kim kardashian become traffic reporters. we'll talk to you again, buddy. thanks so much. at the top of the hour here on cnn, michele bachmann is now leaving her church and which past president is mitt romney comparing president obama to? wolf blitzer has all that in your political ticker.

>> for politics, let's join wolf

blitzer. hello, good to you. always good to see you. and mitt romney says president obama is like who? >> yeah, jimmy carter. he's being rather blunt that he's going after president obama by making comparisons to jimmy carter. he's pointing out that jimmy carter left the economy, left the u.s. economy when he left office in really bad shape. high inflation, as a lot of our viewers probably eremember. 144 someday days of american diplomats held hostage in iran. now romney is making that comparison. the former massachusetts governor really going on the offensive saying mr. president, the americans are stressed about rising unemployment, falling home prices and an economy that isn't working for them. not since jimmy carter have we seen such failed economic policies. who would have guessed that we would look back upon the carter

administration as the good old days. romney arguably the front-runner right now in the republican race for the white house, going on really on the attack against president obama. some other political news we're following right now, including michele bachmann. we just got word from our own producer that michele bachmann and her husband marcus, they have left their long-time church. actually, they left it a couple of years ago. we didn't know about it. but for some reason they decided to leave their church in minnesota. and i guess there's a little bit of controversy involving the decision. why they left it, where they've been going to church over the past couple of years. we're still work on the story, but go to cnnpolitics.com gaent the latest o .our political ticker on this part of the story. brought back some memories of when barack obama was running and you'll remember he left his church at the time. the reverend jeremiah wright causing a big stir. so there may be more to this story that we don't know about

yet. but we're working this story. one final note, bristol palin is optimistic that her mom when all the dust settles will, in fact, run for the 20912 republican presidential nomination and will, in fact, win. zo we'll all wait and see. we don't know what sarah palin is going to do. >> optimistic, but she's not speaking for the palin camp. >> no. and her mom said in a recent interview, i think bristol has made up her mind and bristol wants me to run for president, but we're still thinking about it, i'm still thinking about it. she's repeated this week, by the way, the former alaska governor, that if she ran, she thinks she could win. >> as always, we'll be seeing you here again shortly. >> brooke baldwin has the day off. we start in washington. 9 white house and republican lawmakers are engaged in a high stakes game of chicken over the country's debt limit. and today, both sides held

separate news conferences, nobody's blinking just yet. you may have heard that senate leaders mitch mcconnell and harry reid are trying to hash out a plan that would be palatable for both sides. there's a separate push for a balanced budget amendment. but when the president gave his news conference this morning he suggested the united states does not have time for any of those proposals. >> we don't need a constitutional amendment to do our jobs. the constitution already tells us to do our jobs and to make sure that the government is living within its means and making responsible choices. and so this notion that we're going to go through a multi-year prof sesz instead of seizing the moment now and taking care of our problems is a typical washington response. we don't need more studies. we don't need to -- we need to

make these tough choices and take on our bases. and everybody knows that. >> we're getting closer and closer to august 2, that's the day when the treasury warns the u.s. will have to decide which bills it will pay, which ones they won't pay. and with no talks scheduled at the white house today, house republicans are offering up their even new plan. take a listen to the majority leader. >> we're going to bring a bill forward next week, otherwise known as the cut, cap and balanced bill to provide a balanced approach so that we can demonstrate that we are getting things under control and that the people who put us here can gain some confidence that we're going to begin to live like they do around their kitchen tables and in their businesses, stop spending money we don't have and begin to manage this debt and deficit down to balance it. >> all right, let's turn to capitol hill and our congressional correspondents. kate baldwin is there for us.

i hope you did better keeping up with all of this stuff than i did. all the press conferences, every couple of seconds. i felt like i was watching sports on the week opinion i didn't know which channel to watch here. but so many we're trying to keep up with here and now so many plans. the gop has a new one. what's in it? >> well, there's a lot in it, but i will tell you this. we should read this as kind of a different strategy first of all. the president came out and said that he wants the congressional leaders to come back with serious plans. the house republicans, they went behind closed doors and they emerged with this very different plan. it's not necessarily new. it's something that's been pushed and supported by the more conservative members in the house for quite some time. but this new plan, the real crux of it is that it would make raising the debt ceiling contingent on amending the constitution to pass a balanced budget amendment which ask a very tall order. listen here first to why speaker boehner said they're bringing this and pushing this now. listen here. >> we're in the fourth quarter

here. time and again, republicans have offered serious proposals to cut spending and address these issues. i think it's time for democrats to get serious as well. >> here's a dose of reality. even if this passed the house, it's not likely to go very far. it would likely go very far in the democratic controlled senate. here's what people are thinking about it. it could end up and likely end up as more of a symbolic vote for republicans, allowing republicans to be on the record saying their standing for the principles working out between the top republican and democrat there.

>> we're all excited about the women's soccer team. congressional democrats we talked about the dpoouling news conferences, talking about the debt and also the women's soccer team. let's listen to this and try to figure it out. >> here we could take a few lessons from the women's soccer team. win or lose we do this together as a team. >> well, rah-rah. i mean, seriously. is there really a chance for team work or is he trying to make some cute little analogy. >> i'm sure he was trying to be cute and get a good sount bite, which he did. team work, i'll say at the moment, the reality is that both sides are not budging from their positions. republicans are saying the tax hikes are a no-goo. new revenue needs to be a part of any deal to very much

protect. at the same time t speaker boehner has cleared his schedule. all of the negotiators in this meeting have all agreed on one point that they do no the want to miss this august 2 deadline. and that's why i'll tell you that's why they're working on this last-ditch plan. the negotiations have not be bearing fruit, if you will, at the white house so far. >> everyone agrees on point one, but we need them to aglee on points two, three, four, five, six and seven. >> i agree with you. >> thank so much. one thing that president obama made clear in his news conference is that he's hopeful that some kind of grand bargain can be worked out.

is a grand bargain still possible at this, i guess almost late date. we're getting a little close. >> well, i'm not in washington and no one who's even reporting on it is in the room so we can't say for sure. but it doesn't sound like it based on what the negotiators have said coming out. the president is hopful and i'm glad he's hopeful and i hope he gets his way. moody's wants them to raise the debt ceiling and come up with a credible substantial plan like the $4 trillion grand bargain. if you don't, the united states could be downgraded. so it's really important that the people who are negotiating do think about that because it's going to be very costly for americans if they're downgraded. >> all right, you've been

writing about this and reporting on this extensively. fiscal experts have said repeatedly, any credible plan to reduce the country's debt load, or to say a plan the country can stick to will have to make changes to spending and taxes. >> if that's the prevailing view. >> what we're running the risk with is that we're putting the debt ceiling at risk. if we just raise the debt ceiling where lawmakers don't show any progress towards getting one within a couple of months of raising the debt ceiling, we're going to be downgraded.

it's urgent that everybody roll their leaves up. it doesn't look good from up here. >> all right, we appreciate you as all. we want to get a book now at what else is happening right now. >> it should have been a normal takeoff for passengers. a delta boeing clipped the tail of a smaller atlanta southeast commuter plane. federal investigators are involved and now a passenger was taken to the hospital after complaining of neck pain. and who is this woman, see her on the screen there in the middle? that's not casey anthony. the one on the right is, but a lot of people think she does look like casey anthony. and apparently that upset somebody and it almost cost her her life. listen to this. may blackwell of oklahoma was

ramped off the road. her car flipped over, apparently all because she looks kind of like casey anthony. >> she tried to kill me. she said i was trying to hurt babies, kill babies. she said she was going to stop it before it happened again. >> police chased down the woman you see there and arrested her on charges of assault and batte battery. >> crews had to help her car from the car, from the water. her dog. the dog and woman doing fine now, but the car is expected to be a total loss. >> and it's the first of its kind. a bill in california that requires public school history books to include contributions of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender americans. it was signed into law

eyesterday by governor jerry brown. the bill's author says the change was long overdue. >> the fact is we have been censoring a very important chapter of civil rights history about a community that's been traditionally demonized and discriminated against. >> the law takes effect in january, but it's not likely that textbooks will be updated until 2015. and one 4-year-old, got a nice surprise at legoland in san diego. marine staff sergeant surprise prized his son. he's been deployed in afghanistan since january and credits his wife for making this big surprise happen for the little guy. those never get old. much different tone to this next story we have been keeping an eye on this week and gripped a nation. the gruesome killing of an 8-year-old boy. we're learning more now, disturbing new information about

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in fact, he worked for 12 years in various titles of news international, working also in great britain. that included being the -- heading up the publications, including the times, the sunday times, the sun, the news of the world that we've been hearing so much about. so very important here, he served as chairman and chief executive of fox television stations. so we don't know much more about this, other than the fact that right now on the website for "the wall street journal," they are reporting that he is to resign today. and again, this comes on the heels of the resignation of -- i'm sorry, in great britain, of course. >> yeah, the ceo rebecca brooks. rebecca brooks. >> exactly. brooks, thank you very much, who stepped down with a resignation letter, saying that she denies that she was aware of anything

that led up to the hacking scandal in the uk, but did step down. but she's a protege of rupert murdoch for many, many years. second bombshell today. also on the heels of the news corporation saying that tomorrow in great britain, it is showing a kbig banner add. this could be one more aspect of that, t.j. >> and to make sure we're clear with our viewers, we hear he had connections to other papers and things he's doing here in the united states and working. he may is stel stepping down. there's no indication yet that he's stepping down because of any allegations for something he's doing with the u.s. holdings of murdoch's empire.

certainly this is happen on the heel os of a grand investigation in the uk and also in the united states. it's involving a claim that someone was contacted by "news of the world." contacted a private investigator here in new york who allegedly was being asked by news of the world to hack into phone records and asked him to hack into phone records of 9/11 family and victims. it's far too early to say where that investigation will lead, but nothing is off the table and we have yet to see what road the fbi's investigation will take.

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police say aaron confessed to smothering the boy to death. he told them and showed them what he did with the body. let me bring in a former police detective and investigator for over 30 years. steve, what is that like for the investigators who seem to have a confession now. they have all this evidence and then they hear he's about to go get a mental evaluation. he may not be mentally stable. how do you change your investigation? or does it seem now, you just have that feeling that wow, he might not be fit to stand trial. >> how could someone commit a crime like this and not have a mental illness? they're dealing with two major incidents here. they're looking to enhance their current case against aaron and looking to identify other potential victims and bodies that may be from here to memphis and possibly even israel.

>> they say it's likely there's more. because killers don't start out wriem krooims like this? >> when they look into his background, i think they're going to find a lot. you know, we see in the hasidic community, they police themselves. they rarely go to law enforcement. they handle the matters themselves. so any prior incidents may have been handled in-house, if you will, by the hasidic community. >> how much of this for the investigators have they transfission zigsed to try to figure out about this man's past? because in this case, they said, like i said, the confession, this video surveillance, this evidence. they have weapons, they have all of this. they have the victim's body. so are they still more so focussing and still have a lot of work to do on this crime? or are they focussing their attention on what he -- what else he possibly could have done?

>> their investigation is going to involve the fbi, memphis police authorities and likely the violent crime apprehension program through the fbi where they collect data across the country on sexual predators and serial killers. >> and a tough question. these reports that he had stored parts of the kid's body in his freezer. this sounds to you, at least, like these could have been trophies that a killer was keeping from his victims? >> yeah, serial killers often keep trophies from their victims. and that's one of the things they're looking for. amongst his property is looking for other possible trophies from other possible victims. so a bizarre case, a sad case, a horrendous case. but the investigators have their hands full. >> what does this tell you as well that he would allegedly confess here. for someone to be caught in such

a crime and to be accused. i know he pleaded not guilty, by still he apparently had this confession. what would it say that a man would confess. >> law enforcement walked in. he certainly wasn't expecting this em toll arrive at his door. the door was ajar. they asked him a direct question. he uttered a response that directed them towards the refrigerator. law enforcement got a lucky break. they did a great job in investigating this case and they're going to continue to enhance it and make sure h he's away for a long time. >> good to talk to you as always. it's too bad this was the topic we're talking about today. thanks so much. enjoy your weekend. >> my pleasure. coming up at the bottom of the hour now. he was one of the fbi's most wanted. the most notorious boston mobster owhoeluded the feds for

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"boston globe" reporters uncovered the deal he made to make sure of that. >> we started doing research in 1988 and he hadn't gotten so much as a parking ticket. >> whitey bulger fresh from prison went to work as an informant. but he wanted more and stopped at nothing to get it. >> he went on a killing rampage. in one month he killed six guys in 1992. >> he was am beneficiary making his move. >> and he was making his move with this man, aka, the rifle man. among their alleged victims, steve flemmi's girlfriend.

give me three words that describe whitey bulger? >> stone cold killer. >> now whitey bulger has pleaded not guilty for 19 charges of murder. there are 17,000 documents, there have been multiple trials. among them, the trial of john connelly who destroyed the reputation of the fbi bureau. there's a lot of testimony that implicates whitey bulger. the question is, does me have any information of any value that he could use to deal. t.j.? >> geb, it's a story that people are fascinated by. you've got it for them this weekend. be sure to tune in sunday night, 8:00 eastern for cnn presents the special, whitey bulger, stone cold killer. at the bottom of the hour now, stay with us because that lady, she's been called stone cold before, but much different in

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time now for your "political ticker." let's taukt the possibility of the president getting a deal done on this debt ceiling. isle a i'll ask you about it on the other side. >> speaker boehner in good faith was trying to see if it was possible to get a big deal done. he had some problems in his caucus. my hope is that after some reflection, after we walk through all the numbers this week and we looked at all the options that there may be some movement, some possibility, some interest to still get something

more than the bare minimum done. but we're running out of time. >> all right, gloria, i spent a good portion of the opportunity thinking of my first question. now i get to ask you. now what? >> i have to spend three hours coming up with an anxious. there are three options out there. the big deal the president talks about, a medium deal he would probably settle for and a punt deal which he might also have to settle for. so right now, what happens now is that i think the action really moves to capitol hill, t.j. you've got the democratic leader of the senate, the republican leader of the senate getting together, trying to come up with a deal that their membership can vote for and that house republicans can actually vote for. so mitch mcconnell has come up with this ingenious way to get the debt ceiling passed. it's a backup plan, but to get the debt ceiling passed so that

his republicans could still vote against it but it could still pass and next week they get to vote on a balanced budget amendment so they can all go home and say we voted on a balanced budget amendment, we didn't vote for the debt ceiling but miraculously it got passed. it we'll see if that becomes the deal. >> the president has been talking a lot lately in front of -- not just talking, but also taking questions. why was he having another press conference today? what has his strategy been in having all of these? and also on the end of this answer, can you tell me, didn't you notice a different tone from the president today? >> well, you know, yes, i did. he said three press conferences in two weeks. which is kind of stunning. and the one a coup of weeks ago, he was quite accusatory towards republicans, right? today what you saw was a president who's still trying to cut a deal. but his message today was kind

of twofold. first of all, he wanted to reassure the american public and the marks that everyone sitting in that room does believe there has to be a way to raise the debt ceiling. but he also wanted to make his case directly to the american people and to say i'm the grown-up in the room and by way, i'm on your side. because recent polls show that most americans would rather have a package that includes spending cuts, and tax increases. so the president essentially came to the podium and said i'm fighting for you. i'm on your side and they're on the wrong side. so obviously using the bully pulpit in a way only presidents can do. >> we were talking about the dow

jones ceo stepping down. we've got his resignation letter that he signed to rupert murdoch. that's coming your way next. plus casey anthony is leaving jail this weekend. and she's already getting offers. how about a $1 million offer for an interview? but she still has something to cry about. we'll explain. i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of the medical expenses... not paid by medicare part b. that can save you from paying up to thousands of dollars... out of your own pocket. these are the only medicare supplement insurance plans... exclusively endorsed by aarp. when you call now, you'll get this free information kit...

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he is stepping down as to head at the ceo of dow jones after this whole news corp hacking scandal. why might a person working in the u.s., head of the dow jones, what does that have to do with anything? well, les hinton once served as the head of news international. that is the company, the parent company of that tabloid, "news of the world" accused of using the tactics to hack into the phones of 9/1 1 victims, murder victims. he sent his letter, les hinton has, to rupert murdoch. he says, i have watched with sorrow from new york as the "news of the world" story has unfolded. i have seen hundreds of news reports both actual and alleged at the time i was executive chairman of news international and responsible for that company. the pain caused to innocent people is unimaginable. just a part of it. les hinton who had been serving

as head of the dow jones stepping down because of his connection to "news of the world" and news international, serving as the head of news international at one point in 2007 when he actually left in 2007. but still stepping down. during that time period when some of the alleged misconduct was taking place. much more on these developments certainly on cnn throughout the day. also, we'll turn now to casey anthony. leaving jail and a special call to atlanta. david mattingly in orlando where casey anthony is set to walk out of jail on sunday. david, hello to you. >> hey, t.j. when casey anthony leaves jail on sunday, the questions of where, when and how are not being made public for safety reasons. orange county authorities are making it clear they're not going to be responsible for her safety beyond that of a normal citizen once she leaves the, paing lot of that sprawling jail

facility behind me. but until then they're taking every precaution to make sure she gets away safely. we may not find out that she has left here until after the fact, but they have allowed a krupp of twlee journ three journalists, a video photographer, a still photographer and a reporter to be embedded at the jail. they will observe casey anthony's departure. they'll watch what what she does and after she's safely away from the facility, we don't know how long of a period that may be, they will come forward and share what they saw and share the video, so we will all see casey anthony depart from this jail after the fact, t.j. >> thank you. we do want to stay in florida with our john zarrella. that's home base at shuttle "atlantis." the astronauts had to stop and answer the phone today. >> imagine you're flying 245 miles above the earth and the phone rings and on the other end

is the white house and they say stand by, the president is on the line for you. they all came to attention pretty quick up there. the president did call the combined crews of the schayes shuttle and the international space station. he said he was calling out for a pizza and somehow got them on the line. and then he went on to congratulate the crew. >> i just want to say how proud i am of all of you. congratulations to nasa, all our international partners and all the personnel past and present who spent countless hours making the space shuttle a unique part of our history. >> the president also asked about an american flag that the crew had brought up there. and commander ferguson of the space shuttle told them that indeed they had brought a special american flag, one that had flown on the very first space shuttle commanded by john young back in 1981. and that they were going to leave it up there as part of the

ceremony when they say goodbye to the space station crew on monday morning. that should be some kind of -- some ceremony monday, t.j., when the last space shuttle to ever visit the space station pulls away. t.j.? >> that's just so sad. some of these images all right, good so see you as all. coming up here next, the tale of a police officer accused of killing not one, but two women he once loved. it might sound like a made-for-tv movie. and it will be a made-for-tv movie. if the man at the center of the dramatic true story doesn't put a stop to the production of the movie. plus, dramatic video played at the trial of alleged serial killer. you will hear him in his own words. stay with me. stay with me. miles per gallon on the highway. how does it do that? well, to get there, a lot of complicated engineering

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violent death that happened to women in one man's house were just bad dreeps. that's what the alleged serial killer describes in chilling tapes being played at his trial today. he's facing the possibility of the deaths of 11 women. their bodies were found in and around his home in cleveland. i want you now to listen to his voice and watch his demeanor as he shares information with detectives in this report from our affiliate wkyz. >> the mood was light. sowell asks for a cigarette and a cup of coffee. he even laughs. but it isn't long before his demeanor changes. >> let's get this over with and talk about what's going on. now, you know we've been to your

house. >> okay, what, what, just ask the question. >> okay, upstairs on the third floor where you stay, we found some folks up there. >> it's then that sowell clams up and starts rocking back and forth. >> you know what, let's talk about the first time you got a hold of you. >> i don't know if it's like that. >> rage? >> no. i can't explain it. >> he told detectives it started when he broke up with his girlfriend. >> i mean, it was just i just, like, had a breakdown or something. >> so tone, your girlfriend is one of the people we found in your house. >> no, no. she works right downtown. >> can you tell us the names of some of the people? >> i don't know, man. >> even street anytinames? >> i need some time to -- >> okay. >> you said that you wanted to help some of these families get some closure.

what can you tell us that we can help them families. >> i don't know nothing like that. maybe if i had some pictures. but you want names? i don't. >> street names? >> i can't -- i can't -- no, i can't remember. >> i can understand. >> maybe pictures. that's the best i can do. >> what about this, tone. can you tell me how many people are there? >> i don't know. i just don't remember that. i just don't remember. >> anthony s oowell, a rm forme marine said he heard voices. he entered an insanity plea. casey anthony has been found not guilty of murder, be uh a defamation suit is waiting for her when she walks out of prison. a woman by the name of zenaida gonzalez who got caught up in if anthony's lie about zanny the nanny taking her daughter caylee, well, she's now suing

casey anthony. and that's on the case today. sunny hostin, good to see you as always. >> good to see you, t.j. >> what kind of a case does she have here against casey anthony? >> well, no with unone is going anytime soon. the parties just got out of aer haing. i have a bit of breaking news. newly appoint ed judge bought te claim that she's in a frail mental state after being incarcerated for three years. her attorney today said he's very concerned about her mental state and he wants experts to evaluate her. the judge granted the defense motion for a protective order, rescheduled this deposition for october 8, 2011. we don't even know at that point if a deposition is going to happen because this defense team has said they're going to fight tooth and nail. they've indicated that this is something that won't even make

trial. and interestingly enough, he said, her attorney, charles green, he received seven death threats against casey anthony just today. so this is a saga that we are going to be hearing about for a long time coming. october 8 is the next time the deposition is -- >> so they essentially said, give her some time. she's not in a mental state to deal with this right now? i'm just making sure i'm interpreting you kregtly. >> you are interpreting correctly. that is what the defense argued and that is what the judge agreed to do. the judge agreed to grant this protective order to protect casey anthony from being deposed next tuesday and pushed it back all the way until october 8, 2011. and again, we don't know where it's going to be held, though. >> and a reminder to our viewers here. there's this woman, zenaida gonzalez was afraid her kids would be taken away. her name was dragged through the mud. >> my thought was i'm going to lose my children.

because if they're accusing me of kidnapping, what's the first thing they're going to do, they're going to, you know, want to investigate your children. if i'm a good mother, why do i need to go through that? >> and to quickly wrap this up. yes, it plight be down the road, but does she have a case? >> i think it's going to be a difficult one to prove, t.j. she's proving that the defamation damaged her. now, we now know that zanny the nanny was a lie, that casey anthony made it up. she's sort of been exonerated, right, zenaida gonzalez in the court of public opinion. everybody knows she wasn't casey arntny's nanny. so i wonder how she can prove that she was damaged. so i don't know that this case is going to go anywhere, but that's the wonder of our judicial system. you can sue people, you can have your day in court and we'll see what happens. >> did you just say the wonder of our judicial system. >> i did. >> very nice. very careful with the words. all right, let's turn now to

drew peterson here. maybe people might recognize that name. this is the former police officer charged with the 2004 murder of his third wife. now they're trying to make a tv movie about him, about his story, about the case. he wants it stopped. can he do that? >> i don't think so. i don't think his arguments are going to hold up in court. he's laming the film nakers don't have a right to make a film about him without his permission. but the first amendment of the constitution trumps his right to give permission. especially about events that have been depicted already in a book he didn't challenge. i would say no, he's not going to win the day with this legal argument, but i've got to tell you, i was a little surprised h ewanted to stop this film. rob lowe is playing him, t.j. i think that's a bit of a gift for drew peterson. >> he's supposed to be honored by that? with we're seeing rob lowe here now. but he said he doesn't have much

of a case, but what right do any of us really have? if somebody decided they wanted to smak a movie about sunny h i hostin and your life, i mean, for all of us, can you stop anybody from doing that or do they have a right to? >> they have a right to if it's an accurate depiction of real events. absolutely some celebrities do have a right to stop things like that. they make money with their name and their likeness. but for the most part if a filmmaker is depicting accurate events they're going to be able to do it, t.j. and hey, i mean, if someone fabulous depicting me, i don't know if i would try to stop that film. >> who would you take depicting you? >> oh, i don't know. i don't know. i'm not sure. but if it's somebody good, someone in my err is saying halle berry, that's a big compliment. i would definitely take that one. >> that is a big compliment. are you on